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10 Great Movies In Bad Franchises, According To Reddit

It seems like most movies released these days are part of a franchise, whether it’s a direct sequel or part of some kind of cinematic universe. But no matter if it’s a horror series or a superhero franchise, not everybody is sold on certain series despite them having grossed billions of dollars at the box office.

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But even though some armchair critics might not be sold on popular franchises, there’s still the odd movie in a series that they’ll take a liking to. Redditors have some strong opinions on the matter, whether it’s a movie that’s completely unlike any other in the series or an original movie that a studio milked for all it was worth.

Furious 7 (2015)
Paul Walker and Vin Diesel as Brian and Dom in Fast and Furious 7

Truckturner5164 thinks Furious 7 is a great film, despite hating the series as a whole, and the reason being is its ensemble cast, stating, “Tony Jaa, Kurt Russell, and The Rock. Yes please.” However, there’s another reason why the film could connect to audiences on a larger level than other Fast & Furious movies, as the final scene is rather emotional.

As Paul Walker died during the movie’s production, there’s a beautiful montage of his best moments in the series. But if the Redditor was never a fan of the series, the scene might not have connected with them in the way it would with longtime fans.

Rogue One (2016)
Darth Vader surrounded by smoke in Rogue One

It’s hardly a surprise that Star Wars showed up in the Reddit thread in some form or another, as the Disney era of the franchise has been so polarizing, to say the least. _baby_groot_ explains that they’re “not a fan of most of the recent Star Wars movies but I do love Rogue One,” and they’re not alone either.

Rogue One might not have been the highest-grossing Disney Star Wars movie, but it was successful in a different way. The A New Hope prequel is largely considered the best film of the Disney era: it has a literal star war that is a visual spectacle, and it’s one of the best team-on-a-mission movies ever.

Bumblebee (2018)
Bumblebee looks over the Golden Gate Bridge

There’s a bad stigma unfairly attached to Bumblebee, as it’s a part of the Transformers franchise, which has a reputation for being loud, full of explosions, and lacking a cohesive narrative. However, the same can’t be said for the 2018 movie, as it features a compelling and heartwarming story, and it’s more of a riveting coming-of-age movie than an action blockbuster.

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Unfortunately, it’s had to convince potential audiences of that, and MX-6 has witnessed that first-hand. The Redditor explains that “I’m still trying to convince my brother to watch it because he hates all of the Bay Transformers movies.”

Saw II (2005)
Jigsaw smiling in Saw 2

TopCat0601 loves Saw II but hates the Saw series as a whole, positing that “it’s so much better than all the other Saw movies for some reason.” But Saw II is an interesting pick for being a favorite of somebody who hates the franchise. The series quickly devolved from the compelling crime thriller that was the original into torture porn, and the second movie in the series sits somewhere in the middle.

The movie seemingly takes place in the funhouse from hell, as it follows a group of Jigsaw’s victims making their way through an abandoned house full of traps. But at the same time, there is an interesting plot twist in the final act, even if it isn’t as hard-hitting as the first movie’s finale.

The Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
Han's car explodes in Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift

Claire63001 argues that The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift is a great film in a terrible movie franchise. Liking the 2006 movie and disliking the rest of the series makes a lot more sense than only liking Furious 7. While Furious 7 might have introduced Russell into the series, it’s still a typical Fast & Furious movie full of gravity-defying action sequences.

However, Tokyo Drift is very much a standalone movie in the series, and if it wasn’t for Vin Diesel’s cameo at the end, it would have simply been an anthology movie in the F&F universe. The movie isn’t full of over-the-top action scenes, but it’s instead a cool-looking street racing movie set in the fascinating Japanese city, and there are so many great scenes in Tokyo Drift.

Scream 4 (2011)
Courteney Cox as Gale Weathers in front of hay stacks in Scream 4

Along with Tokyo Drift, Claire63001 also mentions Scream 4 as a great film that’s part of a franchise they hate. Again, just as is the case with Saw II, Scream 4 is a strange choice for somebody who doesn’t actually like the series. The film is largely considered one of the worst Scream movies according to IMDb.

And as one of the Scream movie’s trademarks is its creative murders, whether it’s the opening scene of Scream or in the sound-proof booth in Scream 2, Scream 4 lacks those inventive murder sequences. The film also lacks the meta-ness that the series has always indulged in, making it more of a mediocre slasher movie than an actual Scream film.

Wonder Woman (2017)
Diana Prince in her Amazon armor prepares to walk into No Man's Land in Wonder Woman

The DC Extended Universe movies make up a very scattershot series, as the quality of the films is just as inconsistent as the tone. Fans could get the grim Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice one year and then the ’80s-comedy-inspired Shazam! the next.

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But it’s Wonder Woman that LearnHumility claims is the only good entry in the franchise. The Redditor argues that “I don’t like the DCEU but I think they got this one right. The ending almost ruins it but it only lasts five minutes.” In fairness, Wonder Woman is the most critically acclaimed movie in the DCEU and has the highest IMDb rating too. But unfortunately, the same can’t be said for its sequel.

The Mummy (1999)
Rick in the desert in The Mummy

The Mummy is one of the most underrated adventure movies, and while it might be goofy at the times, along with National Treasure, it’s one of the Indiana Jones knock-offs that’s still endlessly entertaining. 14thCluelessbird is a big fan, but they make themselves clear by saying that “every Mummy movie after the first one” is bad.

With this franchise more than any other, there aren’t many people arguing anything different. The sequel is full of terrible CGI even for its time, especially when it comes to the Scorpion King’s design, and the attempt to reboot the movie with a dark and gritty tone starring Tom Cruise was an amalgam of bad choices.

Iron Man 3 (2013)
Iron Man slamming down to the ground in Iron Man 3

DocWhoFan16 explains that they “don’t really like the MCU,” but they list a select few individual movies in the series that they don’t mind, including Iron Man 3. It makes sense that non-MCU fans would enjoy the Shane Black-directed movie more than any other, and the reason why is probably the same reason why MCU fans dislike it.

The movie takes liberties with the source material, and while some MCU fans like the Mandarin twist, it was polarizing. But for viewers who don’t know who the Mandarin is, the twist is clever and ingenious. The film is more of a Shane Black movie than a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie.

The Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl (2003)
Captain Jack Sparrow standing at the mast of his ship in Pirates of the Caribbean

More than almost any other franchise, in terms of quality, The Pirates of the Caribbean is a case of diminishing returns, despite its phenomenal box office success. Countjohn12 believes this more than anybody else, as they reckon the first movie is the only good one.

The movie didn’t have any right to be as good as it is, as it’s simply based on a theme park ride, but the follow-ups are more in line with what would be expected from the source material. However, the movie is getting rebooted, and if Disney plays it right, it could be the best entry in the series since the original.

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Fast & Furious 11 Release Delay & Filming Start Date Confirmed By Director


Fast and Furious 11
is facing a release date delay to Summer 2026 due to strikes, with director Louis Leterrier confirming the sequel will not be hitting its April 4, 2025 date.
Leterrier also confirms that filming starts in Fall 2025 after finishing a horror movie in September.
The final installment in the
Fast Saga
reunites Vin Diesel’s Dominic Toretto for one last ride, while also leaving the door open for other spinoffs.

After facing multiple delays due to the 2023 SAG-AFTRA and Writers Guild of America strikes, Fast and Furious 11 is seeing its release date delayed. The next installment in the Vin Diesel-fronted franchise is expected to be the last mainline sequel, while development continues on the Dwayne Johnson-led spinoff Hobbs & Reyes, a mysterious standalone movie penned by Fast X’s Zach Dean and a potential female-led spinoff. While a filming start date was never confirmed, Universal had previously set the movie for an April 2025 release date.

During a recent interview with Collider at a CCXP MX panel, Louis Leterrier was asked for an update on Fast and Furious 11. The director went on to confirm that the final mainline installment in the action franchise will no longer be making its April 4, 2025 release date, instead now aiming for a Summer 2026 release window with the filming start date being set for this fall. Check out what Leterrier said below:

It’s happening. It’s happening very, very soon. I’m able to shoot a little horror movie this summer. I’m finishing my horror movie on September 15th, and I start Fast on September 16th.

Will Fast 11’s Multiple Delays Help Or Hurt The Sequel?

Much like the tenth film before it, Fast and Furious 11 has faced a few behind-the-scenes hardships in its road to getting off the ground, namely the delays stemming from the 2023 strikes. While the latest movie seems to have retained its core creative team in comparison to the shift in directors from franchise vet Justin Lin to Leterrier on Fast X after reported creative differences between the former and Diesel, this change didn’t seem to help much with the continued downward trend recent sequels have seen from critics. Check out how the franchise’s Rotten Tomatoes scores compare below:

Title RT Critical Score RT Audience Score The Fast and the Furious 54% 74% 2 Fast 2 Furious 37% 50% The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift 37% 69% Fast & Furious 28% 67% Fast Five 78% 83% Fast & Furious 6 71% 84% Furious 7 81% 82% The Fate of the Furious 67% 72% Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw 67% 88% F9: The Fast Saga 59% 82% Fast X 56% 84%

Even looking outside the Fast and Furious franchise, many movie sequels have found themselves hurt by various delays, be they from creative changes, general release shifts or other factors. The action genre in particular is one in which lengthier development periods can lead to diminishing returns, be it A Good Day to Die Hard, Rambo: Last Blood or Diesel’s own xXx: The Return of Xander Cage. While Fast and Furious 11 may only be getting pushed back by a year, the delay is nonetheless a concern that the final installment could find itself in trouble.

Dom Toretto (Vin Diesel) looking angry with Letty (Michelle Rodriguez) looking unimpressed in Fast & Furious

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On the other hand, the longer wait for Fast and Furious 11 to close out the mainline series of movies could actually prove beneficial for the sequel. Though Leterrier may be busy with another project in the lead-up to filming the next installment, writers Oren Uziel and Christina Hodson should now have more than enough time to really look back at the script and ensure it learns from the critical missteps of recent installments to deliver a satisfying conclusion to the Dominic Toretto saga.

Source: Collider

Fast and Furious 11 temp poster Fast and Furious 11 Fast and Furious 11 is the final movie in the Fast Saga. It reunites Vin Diesel’s Dominic Toretto with the rest of the cast for one last ride. However, the franchise is open for spinoff films like Hobbs & Shaw afterward.Director Louis Leterrier Release Date April 4, 2025 Distributor(s) Universal Pictures Writers Christina Hodson , Oren Uziel

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Vin Diesel Already Has His Perfect Fast & Furious Replacement Franchise With 51-Year-Old Remake


Vin Diesel’s dominance in Fast & Furious is ending, but Kojak could kick off a new action franchise for him.
Kojak’s reboot faces an uncertain future, but its similarity to Fast & Furious makes it a worthy project for Diesel.
Diesel’s potential shift from criminal racer to cop signifies a fresh start in a possible Fast & Furious-like series.

Vin Diesel’s days of playing Dominic Toretto are numbered, but the actor has already found his perfect Fast & Furious replacement. Diesel found a major breakout role in the early 2000s thanks to participating in The Fast and the Furious. The original 2001 street racing crime movie became the springboard for a sprawling franchise that has lasted for over two decades. The success of the Fast & Furious movies transformed Vin Diesel’s career, turning him into an even bigger star, especially in the action movie genre. But, Fast & Furious 11 is planned as the final chapter for him and the franchise.

The Fast & Furious franchise’s end will put Vin Diesel in an unfamiliar position of not having a major franchise to lean back on. This presents the actor with various options, such as changing the course of his career to pursue non-franchise roles. However, the more likely outcome is that Diesel will attempt to find a new IP that can replace Fast & Furious. He has had trouble in that regard recently, with franchises like xXx or Riddick running cold and Bloodshot and The Last Witch Hunter failing to launch franchises. There is another option for Diesel, though.

2:03 Vin Diesel as Dominic Toretto from The Fast & Furious Franchise

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Kojak Can Be Vin Diesel’s New Action Crime Franchise After Fast & Furious
Diesel Has Been Developing The Reboot Since 2015

The impending conclusion of the Fast & Furious franchise means it is finally time for Vin Diesel’s Kojak reboot to get off the ground. The project was announced back in 2015 with Diesel re-teaming with Universal Pictures, the studio behind Fast & Furious, to develop a movie based on Kojak. The original TV series starred Telly Savalas as Theo Kokaj and ran for three seasons after debuting in 1973. The series revolves around Kojak, a New York detective known for being willing to go beyond the law and a love for cars and lollipops, and follows him as he investigates different cases.

Kojak was rebooted in 2005 as a TV show starring Ving Rhames, but it only ran for six episodes

Development on Vin Diesel’s Kojak movie has not been very active in the nine years since it was announced. However, it still maintains the base similarities to Fast & Furious, which makes the project a worthwhile endeavor for Diesel in terms of finding a new action franchise. He would now have another big action series about cars and crime, essentially making Kojak into a newer version of Fast & Furious. The irony here is that Diesel takes on the role of a cop after playing criminal racer Dominic Toretto.

Vin Diesel’s Involvement Can Morph Kojak Into A Major Action Franchise
Kojak Could Be A Fast & Furious Clone
Telly Savalas talking on the phone in Kojak

Looking at the original TV show, Kojak might not necessarily project to be a major blockbuster action franchise akin to Fast & Furious. The TV series was relatively grounded and small due to the nature of its production. However, the fact that Diesel and Universal pinpointed this property as something they wanted to revive together is telling. The announcement of Kojak’s reboot came months after Furious 7 debuted in theaters and took the franchise to new heights at the box office and in terms of how ridiculously big the action and story could get.

It’s sometimes difficult to remember that Fast & Furious started off with a story about DVD thieves who were also street racers before Diesel helped turn it into something much bigger. With that experience and success already behind him, it would be understandable if a similar path was envisioned for Kojak. The series could then morph into a Fast & Furious clone, one that gives Vin Diesel a new franchise to headline and Universal a “fresh” action franchise to grow.

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The Rock’s WWE Run Means Fast & Furious 11 Must Make 1 Major Hobbs Change


Hobbs from Fast & Furious 11 needs a gritty edge like The Rock’s WWE character to keep the franchise fresh and exciting.
The Rock’s time away from the Fast & Furious universe provides the perfect reason for Hobbs to return with a personal vendetta and a more savage attitude.
While Hobbs shouldn’t become a full-fledged villain in Fast & Furious 11, adding some edginess and dirty tricks could make his character more intriguing and dynamic.

Fast & Furious 11 must make one major Hobbs change after The Rock’s incredible WWE run. Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson’s WWE return surpassed his recent movies, with the actor creating some of the best work of his career. Having returned to a thunderous reception, The Rock was able to flip the crowd’s reception by becoming a heel and playing a major part in WrestleMania’s main events. The Rock hasn’t played a villain on screen for years, as even his depiction of Black Adam lent more into the character’s anti-hero side, which made his wrestling run all the more refreshing.

While his wrestling character may not perfectly translate into the Fast & Furious universe, there is one aspect of The Rock’s WWE run that the franchise should attempt to implement. After debuting in Fast Five, The Rock’s best Fast & Furious scenes helped contribute to the movie series becoming so popular, with Luke Hobbs becoming an instrumental part of the story. He was even given his own spinoff alongside Deckard Shaw (Jason Statham) and is set to get a solo movie in the future. Despite this, Hobbs would still benefit from adding one key aspect of The Rock’s WWE run.

The Rock’s WWE Run Proves Fast & Furious 11 Needs To Give Hobbs More Of An Edge
Fast & Furious Would Benefit From Hobbs Adopting Some Of The Rock’s WWE Tendancies
Dwayne The Rock Johnson in Black Adam, WWE, and Hobbs and Shaw

Given how electrifying The Rock’s recent WWE run was, there is no doubt Fast & Furious 11 needs to give Hobbs more of an edge. Although the character has had his more serious moments, like most of the Fast & Furious cast, Hobbs tends to mix action with comedy. Hobbs and Shaw are supposed to be two of the more stoic heroes, yet they are constantly at each other’s throats and cracking jokes to help maintain the franchise’s lighthearted core. However, giving Hobbs a grittier side would help the character thrive upon his return.

The Rock’s Fast & Furious return may redeem Fast X’s box office, but the character needs to come back stronger than ever. By allowing him to be more ruthless, he can still maintain some elements of comedy but also become more interesting in the process. Johnson proved that despite being a detestable heel, he was still as hilarious as ever during his recent WWE tenure. This proves that he can maintain Fast & Furious’ tone and humorous style while being more layered; therefore, Hobbs adopting some of The Rock’s WWE characteristics could make him even more entertaining.

Fast & Furious Already Has A Reason For Hobbs To Be More Savage
Hobbs Has Been Away From The Franchise For Several Years

Making a major change to Hobbs’ character could be tough to explain, but Fast & Furious 11 already has a great reason to make him more savage. His four-year absence from the franchise gives him a perfect excuse to come back with a vengeance and potentially have a personal attachment to Fast & Furious 11’s villains. Hobbs’ time away from the main story could be explained through a connection to Fast X’s secondary villain, Aimes. Aimes’ villain twist in Fast X was well executed and suggests he’ll be around for the sequel, which is the perfect reason to bring back Hobbs.

Having a more personal story with one of the villains could allow Hobbs to continue his great quips and one-liners, but it would also give him more of an edge.

Fast X never explained why he’s back, but having a personal vendetta against Aimes could be an intriguing reason. Given Dom and Dante are the focal point of the franchise’s conclusion, Hobbs returning to take down Aimes would avoid overshadowing the main story while still giving him an interesting role. Having a personal story with one of the villains could allow Hobbs to continue his great quips and one-liners, while also giving him more of an edge. This provides The Rock with the perfect reason to implement some of his heel traits while still portraying a morally good hero.

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Why Fast & Furious Can’t Bring The Rock Back As A Villain
Hobbs Already Appeared As An Antagonist In Fast Five
A custom image featuring Dwayne Johnson as Luke Hobbs in the Fast and Furious movies Custom image by Debanjana Chowdhury

Although The Rock’s villainous tendencies worked well in the WWE, Fast & Furious can’t bring him back as an antagonist. Johnson already played the main villain of Fast Five, as Hobbs was originally an enemy of Dom and his crew before becoming an ally. Hobbs’ role in Fast Five was one of his best, but despite being the main antagonist, he always had a level of integrity. Dropping all of this to make him a villain in the final movie would be completely unnecessary, especially as the franchise needs him to remain a hero for his spinoff.

Fast & Furious 11 may end the main story, but The Rock will be part of the franchise beyond this, and altering his character so drastically wouldn’t make any sense. Instead, adding some extra edge to his character would have the same effect and would avoid stealing the thunder from Dante and Aimes. Although Fast & Furious 11 shouldn’t make him a villain, the film can still allow Hobbs to play dirty and pull some cheap tricks in order to show a grittier side, while letting him taunt his enemies when he inevitably helps save the day.

Fast & Furious 11
is scheduled to be released in theaters on April 4, 2025.

Fast and Furious 11 temp poster Fast and Furious 11 Fast and Furious 11 is the final movie in the Fast Saga. It reunites Vin Diesel’s Dominic Toretto with the rest of the cast for one last ride. However, the franchise is open for spinoff films like Hobbs & Shaw afterward.Director Louis Leterrier Release Date April 4, 2025 Distributor(s) Universal Pictures Writers Christina Hodson , Oren Uziel

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